Heinrich Peiler towers.

[ChrisMAg2]

Hi Edgar,

you mean something like this?:

http://lucafusari.altervista.org/page1/ ... gramm.html

The recievers are shown on the links at the right side. There is also a bibliography at the bottom/ end of the page.

[SES (†)]

Hi Edgar,
Please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/operator_and_displa ... WL%202.htm
mfg
SES

[Edgar Schlimm]

Hello Chris and hello SES,

yes, this is exactly what I mean.

Thank you very much for the links you provided.

Best regards

Edgar Schlimm

[Edgar Schlimm]

Hello,

I have just another question.

SES, on your link I see the controls for the Hans-E-Messgerät (Distance).

Which equipment was used in the Heinrich Peiler huts (height/direction)? Is this equipment shown on the link of Chris Aguilar? Or on your own site?


Thank you very much again.

Best regards

Edgar Schlimm

[ChrisMAg2]

Hi Edgar,

may I comment something, for better understanding?

You have to understand the purpose of the Heinrich-/ Y-Peiler. It is a method of detecting and rangeing. Unlike radar this is a passive method, means it does not emitt any signals (therefore it does not have/ need a transmitter and hence cannot be jammed), it only consists of a form of specialised reciever.
Unlike an active radar one Heinrich-Peiler only will give you only the direction of a detected signal. But with a second Peiler, located some distance away, you can triangulate the location and distance of a target. The elevation (altitude) of the target is for this matter irrelevant and unnessecary.

There were several reciever systems in the Heinrich-Peiler huts:

Hans E-Messgerät (SES's picture and link) this is something based on the FuG16 reciever (part of standard aircraft w/t or radio equipment) with a special display unit. It could be similar to a Heinrich II, III and IV Kontollpeiler, all using the so called Y-method.

Telefunken/ Sadir R 87 C, D, a Telefunken reciever based on the french Sadir R87 design.

Telefunken E 53 a "ULM", a VHF-/ AM/FM-reciever that can/ could be adopted to ranging. (this is in my link)


All recievers are working within a similar band width, around 38 - 42 Mhz. The two Telefunken recievers of course had a generaly bigger detecting range or bandwidth.



These details are from: http://www.atlantikwall.info/radar/technik/peiler.htm

[ChrisMAg2]

I forgot to mention, the antenna of Hans E-Messgerät (normaly?) consists of only one (di-)pole on a mast seperated from the reciever cabin. Unlike the Heinrich-Peiler typ where a 4, 6 or 2 dipol (with or without single pole FuG16 antenna) arrangement is located above a towered cabin. These two different antennae systems are displayed on the sketch/ drawing on page 1 of this thread.

[SES (†)]

Hi Christian,
Your description is not entirely correct, please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/Jagd%20Verfahren.pdf
mfg
SES

[ChrisMAg2]

Hi SES,

can you please point out, where my mistake (-s) is/ are?

[zulufox]

Hi SES,

can you please point out, where my mistake (-s) is/ are?

Hallo Chris,

um es leichter zu machen für's Verständis:

Für das Heinrich-Funk-Peil-Verfahren brauche ich mindestens zwei Empfänger, um den Standort eines Senders über Triangulation festzustellen.

Beim Jagd-Y-Verfahren habe ich einen Heinrich-Peiler und einen dazugehörigen Hans-Sender.

Hans löst über ein kurzes Funksignal ein Antwortsignal des FuG 16 ZE oder ZY aus.
Heinrich stellt nun die Richtung zum Signalsender fest und aus der Zeit Hans-Sendung Heinrich-Empfang kann die Entfernung des FuG bestimmt werden.

MfG
Zf

[SES (†)]

Hi SES,

can you please point out, where my mistake (-s) is/ are?

The Hans E-Mess Gerät did transmit a signal, this was recieved by the FuG16 in the aircraft, and a response was sent back. This was used to establish the range and at the same time the bearing was taken by the Heinrich. Please see the German document I linked to.
The Y-Linien could be and were jammed by the Jostle IV jammer.
mfg
SES