Heinrich Peiler towers.
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Heinrich Peiler Towers
Hello Chris and hello SES,
yes, this is exactly what I mean.
Thank you very much for the links you provided.
Best regards
Edgar Schlimm
yes, this is exactly what I mean.
Thank you very much for the links you provided.
Best regards
Edgar Schlimm
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Heinrch Peiler Towers
Hello,
I have just another question.
SES, on your link I see the controls for the Hans-E-Messgerät (Distance).
Which equipment was used in the Heinrich Peiler huts (height/direction)? Is this equipment shown on the link of Chris Aguilar? Or on your own site?
Thank you very much again.
Best regards
Edgar Schlimm
I have just another question.
SES, on your link I see the controls for the Hans-E-Messgerät (Distance).
Which equipment was used in the Heinrich Peiler huts (height/direction)? Is this equipment shown on the link of Chris Aguilar? Or on your own site?
Thank you very much again.
Best regards
Edgar Schlimm
Hi Edgar,
may I comment something, for better understanding?
You have to understand the purpose of the Heinrich-/ Y-Peiler. It is a method of detecting and rangeing. Unlike radar this is a passive method, means it does not emitt any signals (therefore it does not have/ need a transmitter and hence cannot be jammed), it only consists of a form of specialised reciever.
Unlike an active radar one Heinrich-Peiler only will give you only the direction of a detected signal. But with a second Peiler, located some distance away, you can triangulate the location and distance of a target. The elevation (altitude) of the target is for this matter irrelevant and unnessecary.
There were several reciever systems in the Heinrich-Peiler huts:
Hans E-Messgerät (SES's picture and link) this is something based on the FuG16 reciever (part of standard aircraft w/t or radio equipment) with a special display unit. It could be similar to a Heinrich II, III and IV Kontollpeiler, all using the so called Y-method.
Telefunken/ Sadir R 87 C, D, a Telefunken reciever based on the french Sadir R87 design.
Telefunken E 53 a "ULM", a VHF-/ AM/FM-reciever that can/ could be adopted to ranging. (this is in my link)
All recievers are working within a similar band width, around 38 - 42 Mhz. The two Telefunken recievers of course had a generaly bigger detecting range or bandwidth.
These details are from: http://www.atlantikwall.info/radar/technik/peiler.htm
may I comment something, for better understanding?
You have to understand the purpose of the Heinrich-/ Y-Peiler. It is a method of detecting and rangeing. Unlike radar this is a passive method, means it does not emitt any signals (therefore it does not have/ need a transmitter and hence cannot be jammed), it only consists of a form of specialised reciever.
Unlike an active radar one Heinrich-Peiler only will give you only the direction of a detected signal. But with a second Peiler, located some distance away, you can triangulate the location and distance of a target. The elevation (altitude) of the target is for this matter irrelevant and unnessecary.
There were several reciever systems in the Heinrich-Peiler huts:
Hans E-Messgerät (SES's picture and link) this is something based on the FuG16 reciever (part of standard aircraft w/t or radio equipment) with a special display unit. It could be similar to a Heinrich II, III and IV Kontollpeiler, all using the so called Y-method.
Telefunken/ Sadir R 87 C, D, a Telefunken reciever based on the french Sadir R87 design.
Telefunken E 53 a "ULM", a VHF-/ AM/FM-reciever that can/ could be adopted to ranging. (this is in my link)
All recievers are working within a similar band width, around 38 - 42 Mhz. The two Telefunken recievers of course had a generaly bigger detecting range or bandwidth.
These details are from: http://www.atlantikwall.info/radar/technik/peiler.htm
Gruß
Christian M. Aguilar
Christian M. Aguilar
I forgot to mention, the antenna of Hans E-Messgerät (normaly?) consists of only one (di-)pole on a mast seperated from the reciever cabin. Unlike the Heinrich-Peiler typ where a 4, 6 or 2 dipol (with or without single pole FuG16 antenna) arrangement is located above a towered cabin. These two different antennae systems are displayed on the sketch/ drawing on page 1 of this thread.
Gruß
Christian M. Aguilar
Christian M. Aguilar
Hi Christian,
Your description is not entirely correct, please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/Jagd%20Verfahren.pdf
mfg
SES
Your description is not entirely correct, please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/Jagd%20Verfahren.pdf
mfg
SES
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Hallo Chris,ChrisMAg2 hat geschrieben:Hi SES,
can you please point out, where my mistake (-s) is/ are?
um es leichter zu machen für's Verständis:
Für das Heinrich-Funk-Peil-Verfahren brauche ich mindestens zwei Empfänger, um den Standort eines Senders über Triangulation festzustellen.
Beim Jagd-Y-Verfahren habe ich einen Heinrich-Peiler und einen dazugehörigen Hans-Sender.
Hans löst über ein kurzes Funksignal ein Antwortsignal des FuG 16 ZE oder ZY aus.
Heinrich stellt nun die Richtung zum Signalsender fest und aus der Zeit Hans-Sendung Heinrich-Empfang kann die Entfernung des FuG bestimmt werden.
MfG
Zf
Demosthenes (384 - 322 v. Chr. Athen)
"Nichts ist leichter als Selbstbetrug, denn was ein Mensch wahrhaben möchte, hält er auch für wahr."
"Nichts ist leichter als Selbstbetrug, denn was ein Mensch wahrhaben möchte, hält er auch für wahr."
The Hans E-Mess Gerät did transmit a signal, this was recieved by the FuG16 in the aircraft, and a response was sent back. This was used to establish the range and at the same time the bearing was taken by the Heinrich. Please see the German document I linked to.ChrisMAg2 hat geschrieben:Hi SES,
can you please point out, where my mistake (-s) is/ are?
The Y-Linien could be and were jammed by the Jostle IV jammer.
mfg
SES